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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=374#comment-13040</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Upon consulting the &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldsuperheroregistry.com/world_superhero_registry_gallery.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Real-World Superhero Registry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; (best ... website ... ever!), it&#039;s apparent that there is an unfilled superhero niche for &lt;i&gt;Predicate Man&lt;/i&gt; ... or &lt;i&gt;Predicate Gal&lt;/i&gt; ... hmmmm ... perhaps &lt;i&gt;The  Predicator&lt;/i&gt; would be best.

Being &lt;i&gt;The Predicator&lt;/i&gt; would be all about just showing up, and reminding everyone that they have a right to exist, and that there&#039;s no need to over-think everything, and helping folks with their homework and tax returns and other logical challenges, and in general helping everyone chill out and get in touch with the &quot;better angels of their nature.&quot;

Come to think of it, there would be no  need for &lt;i&gt;The Predicator&lt;/i&gt; even to wear a costume, or let people know that they had been helped by a superhero.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon consulting the <i><a href="http://www.worldsuperheroregistry.com/world_superhero_registry_gallery.htm" rel="nofollow">Real-World Superhero Registry</a></i> (best &#8230; website &#8230; ever!), it&#8217;s apparent that there is an unfilled superhero niche for <i>Predicate Man</i> &#8230; or <i>Predicate Gal</i> &#8230; hmmmm &#8230; perhaps <i>The  Predicator</i> would be best.</p>
<p>Being <i>The Predicator</i> would be all about just showing up, and reminding everyone that they have a right to exist, and that there&#8217;s no need to over-think everything, and helping folks with their homework and tax returns and other logical challenges, and in general helping everyone chill out and get in touch with the &#8220;better angels of their nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>Come to think of it, there would be no  need for <i>The Predicator</i> even to wear a costume, or let people know that they had been helped by a superhero.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Cahalan</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=374#comment-13039</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Cahalan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Neil

You&#039;re thinking about it too much, thus breaking the boundary conditions of the question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Neil</p>
<p>You&#8217;re thinking about it too much, thus breaking the boundary conditions of the question.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=374#comment-13038</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife gave me a copy of &lt;i&gt;The Guide for the Perplexed&lt;/i&gt; for the holidays ... and I have to say ... this guy Maimonedes has no detectable sense of humor &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt;.

Fortunately, Google revealed the &quot;Philosophers Jokes&quot; site.  Here&#039;s one by Raymond Smullyan:&lt;blockquote&gt;
A philosopher went into a closet for ten years to contemplate the question, What is life? When he came out, he went into the street and met an old colleague, who asked him where in heaven&#039;s name he had been all those years.

&quot;In a closet,&quot; he repied. &quot;I wanted to know what life really is.&quot;

&quot;And have you found an answer?&quot;

&quot;Yes,&quot; he replied. &quot;I think it can best be expressed by saying that life is like a bridge.&quot;

&quot;That&#039;s all well and good,&quot; replied the colleage, &quot;but can you be a little more explicit? Can you tell me how life is like a bridge?&quot;

&quot;Oh,&quot; replied the philosopher after some thought, &quot;maybe you&#039;re right; perhaps life is not like a bridge.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife gave me a copy of <i>The Guide for the Perplexed</i> for the holidays &#8230; and I have to say &#8230; this guy Maimonedes has no detectable sense of humor <i>at all</i>.</p>
<p>Fortunately, Google revealed the &#8220;Philosophers Jokes&#8221; site.  Here&#8217;s one by Raymond Smullyan:<br />
<blockquote>
A philosopher went into a closet for ten years to contemplate the question, What is life? When he came out, he went into the street and met an old colleague, who asked him where in heaven&#8217;s name he had been all those years.</p>
<p>&#8220;In a closet,&#8221; he repied. &#8220;I wanted to know what life really is.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;And have you found an answer?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes,&#8221; he replied. &#8220;I think it can best be expressed by saying that life is like a bridge.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s all well and good,&#8221; replied the colleage, &#8220;but can you be a little more explicit? Can you tell me how life is like a bridge?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh,&#8221; replied the philosopher after some thought, &#8220;maybe you&#8217;re right; perhaps life is not like a bridge.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Vijay Krishnan</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=374#comment-13037</link>
		<dc:creator>Vijay Krishnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;#  Scott Says:
&gt;Comment #2 December 24th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

&gt; Carl, depressed people worry about the rightness of their
&gt; existence, whereas anthropicists merely worry about its
&gt; probability. :-) Still, I guess it’s of a piece with my general
&gt; skepticism about all philosophical questions.

Scott,
       I think the following post on overcomingbias is a nice read.
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/existential-ang.html

       It argues that the true reason for depression due to &quot;existential angst&quot; (which seems close to &quot;worry about the rightness of one&#039;s existence&quot;), is very likely one of the known things that causes us to get depressed, such as financial problems, relationship problems, boring job etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;#  Scott Says:<br />
&gt;Comment #2 December 24th, 2008 at 6:06 pm</p>
<p>&gt; Carl, depressed people worry about the rightness of their<br />
&gt; existence, whereas anthropicists merely worry about its<br />
&gt; probability. <img src='http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Still, I guess it’s of a piece with my general<br />
&gt; skepticism about all philosophical questions.</p>
<p>Scott,<br />
       I think the following post on overcomingbias is a nice read.<br />
<a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/existential-ang.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/07/existential-ang.html</a></p>
<p>       It argues that the true reason for depression due to &#8220;existential angst&#8221; (which seems close to &#8220;worry about the rightness of one&#8217;s existence&#8221;), is very likely one of the known things that causes us to get depressed, such as financial problems, relationship problems, boring job etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Niel</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=374#comment-13036</link>
		<dc:creator>Niel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would go one step further than Scott, and ask what a &quot;right&quot; is. This ultimately leads to the same conclusion as Scott does, but it can hardly be seen as shying away from thinking about things too much.

My view here is similar to my view about questions about whether free will is compatible with the view that the universe is governed physics. Rarely does someone ask what exactly &quot;will&quot; is, and what it is supposed to be &quot;free&quot; of, which should be the very first questions in such a discussion! Either that, or --- if you are morally inclined rather than materially --- to ask what &quot;the laws of physics&quot; can mean in a world-view dominated by personal choices.

With a little consideration, it is easy to see that such questions are a confusion between two different kinds of ontology --- one which has  material principles, and one which has moral principles. You need to know what you&#039;re talking about and *how* you are talking about it to avoid pitfalls.

I concur with those who say that the problem is not with over-thinking, but rather with thinking about the wrong --- which in this case is to say, poorly defined --- things. One ought to define the terms that one is worrying about: at the very least, this provides a good short-term treatment for extistential angst complicated by mental-compulsion, and also leads to longer term therapies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would go one step further than Scott, and ask what a &#8220;right&#8221; is. This ultimately leads to the same conclusion as Scott does, but it can hardly be seen as shying away from thinking about things too much.</p>
<p>My view here is similar to my view about questions about whether free will is compatible with the view that the universe is governed physics. Rarely does someone ask what exactly &#8220;will&#8221; is, and what it is supposed to be &#8220;free&#8221; of, which should be the very first questions in such a discussion! Either that, or &#8212; if you are morally inclined rather than materially &#8212; to ask what &#8220;the laws of physics&#8221; can mean in a world-view dominated by personal choices.</p>
<p>With a little consideration, it is easy to see that such questions are a confusion between two different kinds of ontology &#8212; one which has  material principles, and one which has moral principles. You need to know what you&#8217;re talking about and *how* you are talking about it to avoid pitfalls.</p>
<p>I concur with those who say that the problem is not with over-thinking, but rather with thinking about the wrong &#8212; which in this case is to say, poorly defined &#8212; things. One ought to define the terms that one is worrying about: at the very least, this provides a good short-term treatment for extistential angst complicated by mental-compulsion, and also leads to longer term therapies.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JVP said I wrote a &quot;too long&quot; submission.  Does that win a prize or something?  In any event, my post had nothing to do with the (non)existence of 8 and everything to do with the existence of conscious readers, so the whole ontology of math was kind of irrelevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JVP said I wrote a &#8220;too long&#8221; submission.  Does that win a prize or something?  In any event, my post had nothing to do with the (non)existence of 8 and everything to do with the existence of conscious readers, so the whole ontology of math was kind of irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=374#comment-13034</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those skilled philosophers at &lt;i&gt;The Onion&lt;/i&gt; have presented a cogent analysis of Scott&#039;s question in their recent &lt;i&gt;Pre-Game Coin Toss Makes Jacksonville Jaguars Realize Randomness Of Life&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;As the coin-toss was in the air, [Jacksonville Jaguars running back Fred Taylor] was apparently struck by an existential epiphany, and asked the ref &lt;i&gt;&quot;What meaning can life have, if the future can be dictated by the random chance of this coin?  Existence is a vulgar absurdity.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Coach Del Rio chewed Taylor out, telling him to &lt;i&gt;&quot;Quit pondering the inconsequence of being, in a universe governed by chaos, and just play some football!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The above is the beginning of a lengthy and exceedingly funny overview of philosophical conceptions of meaning, from the early Greeks and the premodern Jews and Christians, through 20th century existentialism.

&lt;i&gt;The Onion&lt;/i&gt; concludes with a one-line summary of the modern view of &quot;meaning&quot; as grounded in sociobiology, cognitive science, and game theory:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bad news for Jacksonville fans is &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; news for the rest of the AFC South!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I stand in awe. Who &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; these folks at &lt;i&gt;The Onion?&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those skilled philosophers at <i>The Onion</i> have presented a cogent analysis of Scott&#8217;s question in their recent <i>Pre-Game Coin Toss Makes Jacksonville Jaguars Realize Randomness Of Life</i>.</p>
<blockquote><p>As the coin-toss was in the air, [Jacksonville Jaguars running back Fred Taylor] was apparently struck by an existential epiphany, and asked the ref <i>&#8220;What meaning can life have, if the future can be dictated by the random chance of this coin?  Existence is a vulgar absurdity.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Coach Del Rio chewed Taylor out, telling him to <i>&#8220;Quit pondering the inconsequence of being, in a universe governed by chaos, and just play some football!&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The above is the beginning of a lengthy and exceedingly funny overview of philosophical conceptions of meaning, from the early Greeks and the premodern Jews and Christians, through 20th century existentialism.</p>
<p><i>The Onion</i> concludes with a one-line summary of the modern view of &#8220;meaning&#8221; as grounded in sociobiology, cognitive science, and game theory:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bad news for Jacksonville fans is <i>good</i> news for the rest of the AFC South!</p></blockquote>
<p>I stand in awe. Who <i>are</i> these folks at <i>The Onion?</i></p>
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		<title>By: math idiot</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=374#comment-13033</link>
		<dc:creator>math idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am trying to answer my own question:&quot;What is the meaning of my existence?&quot; based on Scott&#039;s logic:

&lt;i&gt;Today&#039;s installment: What should you do when you find yourself asking whether you have any “meaning to exist”?

Pondering the problem this morning, I hit upon a solution: Ask yourself whether an ant has any meaning to exist.&lt;/i&gt;

My answer is:it is either none or for survival only.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to answer my own question:&#8221;What is the meaning of my existence?&#8221; based on Scott&#8217;s logic:</p>
<p><i>Today&#8217;s installment: What should you do when you find yourself asking whether you have any “meaning to exist”?</p>
<p>Pondering the problem this morning, I hit upon a solution: Ask yourself whether an ant has any meaning to exist.</i></p>
<p>My answer is:it is either none or for survival only.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Powell</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=374#comment-13032</link>
		<dc:creator>Lewis Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recommend Aristotle&#039;s Nicomachean Ethics as some more substantive nerd self-help.

The basic idea is that our purpose in life is to be happy, and we can do that by habituating ourselves to moderation.

http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend Aristotle&#8217;s Nicomachean Ethics as some more substantive nerd self-help.</p>
<p>The basic idea is that our purpose in life is to be happy, and we can do that by habituating ourselves to moderation.</p>
<p><a href="http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.html" rel="nofollow">http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/nicomachaen.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 06:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonathan Vos Post, which one of those defines &lt;i&gt;existence&lt;/i&gt; in a way that allows for both the abstract existence of mathematics and the physical existence of atoms, while preserving the stance of physicalism and rejecting all notions of supernaturalism?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan Vos Post, which one of those defines <i>existence</i> in a way that allows for both the abstract existence of mathematics and the physical existence of atoms, while preserving the stance of physicalism and rejecting all notions of supernaturalism?</p>
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