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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2753</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[anonymous sez:
&lt;I&gt;somebody should put a stop to this madness&lt;/I&gt;

&quot;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/yeats/lpy/lpy080.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In dreams begins responsibility&lt;/A&gt;&quot;

(&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Butler_Yeats&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yeats&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmore_Schwartz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Schwartz&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeley%2C_Robert&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Creeley&lt;/A&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymous sez:<br />
<i>somebody should put a stop to this madness</i></p>
<p>&#8220;<a HREF="http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/yeats/lpy/lpy080.htm" rel="nofollow">In dreams begins responsibility</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>(<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Butler_Yeats" rel="nofollow">Yeats</a>, <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmore_Schwartz" rel="nofollow">Schwartz</a>, <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeley%2C_Robert" rel="nofollow">Creeley</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2752</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cute girls. . . .
No, but, you&#039;re all talking like somebody should put a stop to this madness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cute girls. . . .<br />
No, but, you&#8217;re all talking like somebody should put a stop to this madness.</p>
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		<title>By: the reader from Istanbul</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2751</link>
		<dc:creator>the reader from Istanbul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott said:
&quot;The standard joke is that Hezbollah sends warning flyers too -- on the missiles.&quot;

Whereas the Israeli missiles carry an altogether different sort of message, it seems; check this link:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&amp;cid=1153291980307]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott said:<br />
&#8220;The standard joke is that Hezbollah sends warning flyers too &#8212; on the missiles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whereas the Israeli missiles carry an altogether different sort of message, it seems; check this link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&#038;cid=1153291980307" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&#038;cid=1153291980307</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2750</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;It seems like maybe America should have gone to Israel instead of Iraq. Do you agree or disagree, and why?&lt;/I&gt;

I completely agree - the US soldiers could have come to Israel, hang out a bit in Tel-Aviv&#039;s bars, spend some time on the beach in Eilat, and go back, completely unharmed. Much better than what happens to them in Iraq.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It seems like maybe America should have gone to Israel instead of Iraq. Do you agree or disagree, and why?</i></p>
<p>I completely agree &#8211; the US soldiers could have come to Israel, hang out a bit in Tel-Aviv&#8217;s bars, spend some time on the beach in Eilat, and go back, completely unharmed. Much better than what happens to them in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2749</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 03:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;B&gt;Anthropic Spinozist-Haiku #3&lt;/B&gt;

&lt;I&gt;&quot;You are more evil than me,
    and so I will kill you ...&quot;&lt;/I&gt;
The ancient pond
Reassembled the apes]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Anthropic Spinozist-Haiku #3</b></p>
<p><i>&#8220;You are more evil than me,<br />
    and so I will kill you &#8230;&#8221;</i><br />
The ancient pond<br />
Reassembled the apes</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2748</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems like maybe America should have gone to Israel instead of Iraq. Do you agree or disagree, and why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like maybe America should have gone to Israel instead of Iraq. Do you agree or disagree, and why?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2747</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following story can perhaps shed some light on the situation:


In Israel the tax for importing goods to the country is very high. A person wanted to bring to Israel an extremely expansive white elephant that he bought (in London of all places). To save money on taxes he painted the elephant grey. (Grey elephant are considerably cheaper than white elephants. Their price is only 15%-20% of that of white elephants.)
At his home in Israel this person started to scrape away the grey color from the elephant but then he scrapped also the white color.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following story can perhaps shed some light on the situation:</p>
<p>In Israel the tax for importing goods to the country is very high. A person wanted to bring to Israel an extremely expansive white elephant that he bought (in London of all places). To save money on taxes he painted the elephant grey. (Grey elephant are considerably cheaper than white elephants. Their price is only 15%-20% of that of white elephants.)<br />
At his home in Israel this person started to scrape away the grey color from the elephant but then he scrapped also the white color.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2746</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It goes without saying, that the above Spinozist objectives are considerably more difficult and costly to achieve,&quot;


   and induce much less excitement
   and (yes, let&#039;s face it) fun


 &quot;than supplying young people with arms and motivating them to kill one another.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It goes without saying, that the above Spinozist objectives are considerably more difficult and costly to achieve,&#8221;</p>
<p>   and induce much less excitement<br />
   and (yes, let&#8217;s face it) fun</p>
<p> &#8220;than supplying young people with arms and motivating them to kill one another.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2745</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous asked: &lt;I&gt;How do we solve this problem?&lt;/I&gt;.

Without asserting that a Spinozist solution is feasible in practice, my understanding is that a Spinozist solution is at least well-defined:

Spinozist Step I: refrain from relative moral judgments, replacing them instead with absolute moral judgements.  As the conclusion to that most Spinozist of novels, Robert Louis Stevenson&#039;s &lt;I&gt;Kidnapped&lt;/I&gt; states: &lt;I&gt;Whatever befell them, it was not dishonour, and whatever failed them, they were not found wanting to themselves.&lt;/I&gt;.  This defines a Spinozist state of grace which all participants in the Middle East conflicts can hope to share.

Spinozist Step II: Ensure that adequate resources and a good family-supporting job are available to every young person.  The alternative being, the global dominance of &quot;hunger, poverty, desperation, and chaos&quot; that Nobelist George Marshall identified as the great enemy of humanity.

It goes without saying, that the above Spinozist objectives are considerably more difficult and costly to achieve, than supplying young people with arms and motivating them to kill one another.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous asked: <i>How do we solve this problem?</i>.</p>
<p>Without asserting that a Spinozist solution is feasible in practice, my understanding is that a Spinozist solution is at least well-defined:</p>
<p>Spinozist Step I: refrain from relative moral judgments, replacing them instead with absolute moral judgements.  As the conclusion to that most Spinozist of novels, Robert Louis Stevenson&#8217;s <i>Kidnapped</i> states: <i>Whatever befell them, it was not dishonour, and whatever failed them, they were not found wanting to themselves.</i>.  This defines a Spinozist state of grace which all participants in the Middle East conflicts can hope to share.</p>
<p>Spinozist Step II: Ensure that adequate resources and a good family-supporting job are available to every young person.  The alternative being, the global dominance of &#8220;hunger, poverty, desperation, and chaos&#8221; that Nobelist George Marshall identified as the great enemy of humanity.</p>
<p>It goes without saying, that the above Spinozist objectives are considerably more difficult and costly to achieve, than supplying young people with arms and motivating them to kill one another.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=108#comment-2744</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do we solve this problem?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we solve this problem?</p>
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