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		<title>By: Ocaasi</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-49420</link>
		<dc:creator>Ocaasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can someone comment on how this would effect, improve or replace the Bitcoin protocol?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone comment on how this would effect, improve or replace the Bitcoin protocol?</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-48571</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott@16: &lt;em&gt;it even makes a falsifiable prediction about an actual computer program—what more could you want?&lt;/em&gt;

You could want a falsifiable prediction about an actual computer. DZ is quite explicit about this: infinite tapes don&#039;t exist. It&#039;s one thing to respond &quot;They do too make sense,&quot; but to respond &quot;They do too exist&quot; is not only wrong, but seems to me to be an unfair response.

That is not to say I can extract a consistent position from DZ. He seems to be willing to quantify over all sizes of machine, which does not seem to me very different from allowing infinite sizes. (At least, it is easy to translate Turing&#039;s results into this language. It is probably possible to &lt;em&gt;formally&lt;/em&gt; translate all of TCS, including oracles, into this language, which ought to adequate to &lt;em&gt;define&lt;/em&gt; the meaning to DZ&#039;s satisfaction. But some uses of infinity by mathematicians probably cannot be translated. Actually, the random oracle hypothesis probably cannot be so translated.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott@16: <em>it even makes a falsifiable prediction about an actual computer program—what more could you want?</em></p>
<p>You could want a falsifiable prediction about an actual computer. DZ is quite explicit about this: infinite tapes don&#8217;t exist. It&#8217;s one thing to respond &#8220;They do too make sense,&#8221; but to respond &#8220;They do too exist&#8221; is not only wrong, but seems to me to be an unfair response.</p>
<p>That is not to say I can extract a consistent position from DZ. He seems to be willing to quantify over all sizes of machine, which does not seem to me very different from allowing infinite sizes. (At least, it is easy to translate Turing&#8217;s results into this language. It is probably possible to <em>formally</em> translate all of TCS, including oracles, into this language, which ought to adequate to <em>define</em> the meaning to DZ&#8217;s satisfaction. But some uses of infinity by mathematicians probably cannot be translated. Actually, the random oracle hypothesis probably cannot be so translated.)</p>
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		<title>By: Job</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-48448</link>
		<dc:creator>Job</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or... we could encode money into bit strings of size X, where the average market cost of storing X is estimated to match the encoded value.

For example, $100 would be encoded as a bit string of 1 terabyte. This would be analogous to gold based currency - it&#039;s currency backed by server storage.

Can you come up with a way to encode currency such that it&#039;s backed by the average market cost of CPU time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or&#8230; we could encode money into bit strings of size X, where the average market cost of storing X is estimated to match the encoded value.</p>
<p>For example, $100 would be encoded as a bit string of 1 terabyte. This would be analogous to gold based currency &#8211; it&#8217;s currency backed by server storage.</p>
<p>Can you come up with a way to encode currency such that it&#8217;s backed by the average market cost of CPU time?</p>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-48440</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2012 21:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jiav, a paradox that you can use to assess your understanding of quantum noise and measurement is as follows:

• noise is equivalent to measurement,
• measurement suppresses decay,
• the interior of a star is noisy, 
• so nuclear lifetimes are longer in stars.

But this is not observed.  Why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jiav, a paradox that you can use to assess your understanding of quantum noise and measurement is as follows:</p>
<p>• noise is equivalent to measurement,<br />
• measurement suppresses decay,<br />
• the interior of a star is noisy,<br />
• so nuclear lifetimes are longer in stars.</p>
<p>But this is not observed.  Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Jiav</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-48420</link>
		<dc:creator>Jiav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 23:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thx Scott. This is an exciting time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx Scott. This is an exciting time!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-48418</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 22:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jiav: Yes, in &quot;projective&quot; schemes (like ours), where the verification just consists of a projective measurement, the verification procedure can itself correct noise!  It&#039;s similar to what&#039;s called the &quot;Quantum Zeno Effect&quot; or better, &quot;Watched Pot Never Boils&quot; effect, wherein you can prevent a quantum state from &quot;drifting&quot; by continually applying a projective measurement to it.  You&#039;re absolutely right about that.

And yes, our recent unpublished work, on quantum obfuscation and quantum copy-protection, &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; have applications to secure cloud computing.  However, I should mention that secure cloud computing is in some sense an &quot;easier&quot; problem than obfuscation and copy-protection---indeed, the recent breakthroughs on fully homomorphic encryption let you do secure cloud computing under a plausible classical cryptographic assumption, with no quantum needed.  And conversely, the recent breakthroughs on blind quantum computing let you do secure cloud computing with quantum and no cryptographic assumptions.  By contrast, to get obfuscation of arbitrary programs, or copy-protection of &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; programs, you seem to need both quantum &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; cryptographic assumptions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jiav: Yes, in &#8220;projective&#8221; schemes (like ours), where the verification just consists of a projective measurement, the verification procedure can itself correct noise!  It&#8217;s similar to what&#8217;s called the &#8220;Quantum Zeno Effect&#8221; or better, &#8220;Watched Pot Never Boils&#8221; effect, wherein you can prevent a quantum state from &#8220;drifting&#8221; by continually applying a projective measurement to it.  You&#8217;re absolutely right about that.</p>
<p>And yes, our recent unpublished work, on quantum obfuscation and quantum copy-protection, <i>should</i> have applications to secure cloud computing.  However, I should mention that secure cloud computing is in some sense an &#8220;easier&#8221; problem than obfuscation and copy-protection&#8212;indeed, the recent breakthroughs on fully homomorphic encryption let you do secure cloud computing under a plausible classical cryptographic assumption, with no quantum needed.  And conversely, the recent breakthroughs on blind quantum computing let you do secure cloud computing with quantum and no cryptographic assumptions.  By contrast, to get obfuscation of arbitrary programs, or copy-protection of <i>any</i> programs, you seem to need both quantum <i>and</i> cryptographic assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: SB</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-48394</link>
		<dc:creator>SB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 00:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Scott,

I had not heard of this until recently, but there is this idea of a topological quantum computer that is quite different from the ``decorherence prone&#039;&#039; ``ordinary&#039;&#039; quantum computer. I&#039;ve never seen you blog about it. And the braid-based logic circuits appear to be quite cool---probably involves some nicer math there. :)

I would love to learn more about TQC, if you will explain it to me.

Thank you.
SB]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott,</p>
<p>I had not heard of this until recently, but there is this idea of a topological quantum computer that is quite different from the &#8220;decorherence prone&#8221; &#8220;ordinary&#8221; quantum computer. I&#8217;ve never seen you blog about it. And the braid-based logic circuits appear to be quite cool&#8212;probably involves some nicer math there. <img src='http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would love to learn more about TQC, if you will explain it to me.</p>
<p>Thank you.<br />
SB</p>
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		<title>By: Jiav</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-48375</link>
		<dc:creator>Jiav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My previous question has been jammed for a couple of days, but let&#039;s keep hopes high and try another one. 

At the end of the talk you mentionned your scheme could help protecting softeware copyright. Could it also provide a way to securize cloud computing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous question has been jammed for a couple of days, but let&#8217;s keep hopes high and try another one. </p>
<p>At the end of the talk you mentionned your scheme could help protecting softeware copyright. Could it also provide a way to securize cloud computing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jiav</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-48295</link>
		<dc:creator>Jiav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 02:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this wow seminar :-)

Is it possible that verifying money state is also by itself a procedure to correct for potential noise?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this wow seminar <img src='http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Is it possible that verifying money state is also by itself a procedure to correct for potential noise?</p>
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		<title>By: John Sidles</title>
		<link>http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1064#comment-47966</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sidles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 00:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter #14, please allow me to offer a contrasting opinion regarding Doron Zeilberger’s opinion #125.  Namely, if we focus upon Doron&#039;s concrete recommendations for research directions, in particular the recommendation to pursue oracle-independent proof methods, then we appreciate that Doron&#039;s opinions are very much in the tradition of Juris Hartmanis.  And please let me mention also, that &lt;a href=&quot;http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/11691&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oracle-independent formalisms are reasonably congenial to engineers too&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter #14, please allow me to offer a contrasting opinion regarding Doron Zeilberger’s opinion #125.  Namely, if we focus upon Doron&#8217;s concrete recommendations for research directions, in particular the recommendation to pursue oracle-independent proof methods, then we appreciate that Doron&#8217;s opinions are very much in the tradition of Juris Hartmanis.  And please let me mention also, that <a href="http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/11691" rel="nofollow">oracle-independent formalisms are reasonably congenial to engineers too</a>.</p>
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